tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1165603762522014470.post8552310672411677513..comments2023-08-17T11:04:19.748-04:00Comments on submission & metaphor: When is a sadist not a sadist?oatmeal girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12842608615972752000noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1165603762522014470.post-19686531464621993302009-07-22T17:46:21.226-04:002009-07-22T17:46:21.226-04:00'"What is abhorrent to you, do not do unt...'"What is abhorrent to you, do not do unto your neighbor. That is the Torah, the rest is commentary... now go and learn'<br /><br />but I know this! I've heard this! Yay! Not as ignorant as I thought!<br /><br />'"If I am not for myself, who will be? If I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?"<br /><br />heard this as well :)<br /><br />I'm pleading my dyslexia (can't remember names etc sometimes - I ran out of my omega supliment a few days ago and only just got some more too, that never helps!)mamacrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16484565827023574347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1165603762522014470.post-59556255889199409792009-07-20T21:13:15.203-04:002009-07-20T21:13:15.203-04:00Thanks, Orlando. Although there's a little bit...Thanks, Orlando. Although there's a little bit more to it, and the reason I didn't answer yet was because I was thinking of writing a post but wasn't yet quite up to it.<br /><br />Because it's a little more complicated, and when i went to check that I had the usual wording right, I realized that I was always leaving out an important part.<br /><br />The first thing is that the commentary IS important - certainly from a Jewish point of view. And what the man asked Hillel and another scholar (who kicked his ass and sent him away) was to TEACH him the Torah (not summarize). Learning is important. And what Hillel said is what you quoted (Jews use the negative version of the Golden Rule - do not do unto others what you would not have done unto you) followed by "Now go learn" or Now go study", depending on the translation.<br /><br />So the commentary, the everything else, is not being pushed aside as trivial. It is true that the Torah does boil down to the Golden Rule - all those rules and precepts are really supposed to be about how to live with each other as decent human beings and make the world a better place. OK, they may have gotten some of them wrong back then - but it's the study, the thought, the going deeply into and behind it all that enables us to say now that, despite what it says in Leviticus, gay marriage is not only permissible but the right thing to allow, as good Jews and as good human beings.<br /><br />Gee, how did I get there?<br /><br />Anyway, thanks Orlando, for making me write about it after all, even if in a rather off the cuff manner.<br /><br />By the way, Hillel was also the one who said, in one of many translations: "If I am not for myself, who will be? If I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?"oatmeal girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12842608615972752000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1165603762522014470.post-1173354309363087792009-07-20T20:38:25.141-04:002009-07-20T20:38:25.141-04:00May I?
Hillel was a halakhic scholar around the t...May I?<br /><br />Hillel was a halakhic scholar around the time of Jesus. According to a famous story, someone dared him to summarize the Torah while standing on one foot. (C.f. Einstein, etc....if you cannot explain it to a three year old, you don't understand it.)<br /><br />So Hillel goes up on one foot and says: "What is abhorrent to you, do not do unto your neighbor. That is the Torah, the rest is commentary."<br /><br />Of course, it's a little problematic if you're a masochist....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1165603762522014470.post-33814746821998692662009-07-19T15:53:31.354-04:002009-07-19T15:53:31.354-04:00oh WOW, I think I'M in danger of falling in lo...oh WOW, I think I'M in danger of falling in love with him!<br /><br />by the way, the mirroring his sounds - I do that when Papacrow masturbates while holding me, and it really does have an effect.... I havn't cum from it tho, I must say!<br /><br />ps I havn't even heard of Hillel, that's how ignorant I am! :-Omamacrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16484565827023574347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1165603762522014470.post-65717658370572340672009-07-19T13:59:32.589-04:002009-07-19T13:59:32.589-04:00OG, yes you do sound happy.
Your Sadist may not be...OG, yes you do sound happy.<br />Your Sadist may not be in love with you, but I am certain that he loves you.<br />I know a little of Hillel, but I don't get the reference.<br />Your sacrifice is worth so much more if it is fully willing.<br />Love and warm hugs,<br />Paul.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03790580459962602757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1165603762522014470.post-39255102033388742632009-07-19T00:11:20.361-04:002009-07-19T00:11:20.361-04:00OG: You sound happy. That is all I know for sure f...OG: You sound happy. That is all I know for sure from this post!Vestahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03677044322646962128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1165603762522014470.post-54096002042195869582009-07-18T17:52:44.009-04:002009-07-18T17:52:44.009-04:00I love throwing in those little Jewish references ...I love throwing in those little Jewish references that I know most people won't get. I forgot that I could expect you to know it.<br /><br />As for the conversation between our blogs - I was quite aware of this as I wrote, and was very tempted to say see, Orlando? There IS a plot... And when people such as you and meg inspire me to comment, I often want to carry over the discussion here, because I don't stop thinking once I click submit.<br /><br />As for my being back... readers such as you inspire me and bring out the best. I was thinking about this the other day, how writing for a responsive audience is like playing for dancers rather than in a static concert, which is like giving pleasure to my Master and then channeling his orgasm into one of my own. We all feed each other and build what we create into something bigger than what we could do on our own.oatmeal girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12842608615972752000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1165603762522014470.post-62288321796437523362009-07-18T17:34:55.523-04:002009-07-18T17:34:55.523-04:00Will post more later. But I am amused by the Hill...Will post more later. But I am amused by the Hillel reference (would he be?) and the way our various reflections on our personal and o-so-private lives nevertheless form a conversation.<br /><br />I am so glad you are back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com